Appotus Dominus

[Nyterose]

[morbier]

I'm sure it does.
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Morbier

[morbier]

Ahhhh politics, the ultimate drama soap opera. It's one of my favorite things to watch, trailing contact sports of course. My family history (coming from the South) is deeply involved and very divided, originating from a time when there was still such a thing as conservative Democrats. It's the ultimate spectator sport, even if you are minorly involved.

My personal likings do not follow a party line and my voting record has been split as is my family's partisan views, who are half Dem and half Repub today, I guess you can say I get to hear the best and worst of both worlds. I have disagreements with my mom, grandma, aunts and uncles to this day on many issues, some very uninteresting like views on PAC's and such, and not often without fault from myself as I will sometimes play advocate to take the opposite side of a family members view for the sole purpsose of enterainment of debate.

This year I personally liked to hear both Ron Paul and Kucinich. Both seemed willing to talk about issues the mainstream does not want to get into, and genuinely want to fix some things. But I admit, both have a lot of the kookiness factor. All fun to watch.

Yeah, there are liars and disingenuous people on both sides, and is our job to try and seep through all the heaps of bullshit thrown at us. (Example) ...The ultimate drama attacked Kerry for one of his three purple hearts earned in military duty. The same then also attacked McCain for his role as a PoW during the Vietnam war. This all from G.W Bush machine who himself heroically scored a waiver with help from his dad to serve in the Air National guard during the same Vietnam war, and ending up failing to live up to those minimal duties.

I think my dream situation would be McCain getting picked and the conservatives splitting from the party. (Funny that Huckabee would be the moral voice and Conservatives choice with so many ethic complaints and tax hikes while serving in office), again, fun to watch. On the other side Obama getting the delegates but Hillary awarded nomination because of backroom deals and ties to the superdelegates forcing alot of defections from the Democratic party. This would hopefully be the beginning of the end to the mostly broken two party system we currently have. Total chaos and must see t.v., victory!!!

I definitely do not agree with Mandaar, the last Presidential election had the worst choices in my lifetime, by far. The weak ass democrats choice was Kerry, a very uninspiring, unmovtivating, mind-numbing selection who even then, running against an incumbant President in a time of war guaranteed to give you 10-20% more votes, i still don't know how they lost to the Dub. A President who was and still is the biggest failure on every single level imaginable. From fiscal mismanagement taking America from a surplus to a deficit larger than the first 42 Presidents combined (and this is just his first few years), not finishing Afghanistan, cherrypick leading us into Iraq (anyone remember Bremer saying the war would basically pay for itself?) failure in most every social program, energy program, the environment, education, trade, foreign policy..........and this list goes on. AND they still couldn't put up a viable opposition. Hilarious

I suppose in the end my choice is as vanilla as from the start though, picking McCain and Obama. And since McCain would continue some of the same policies I abhor and would like to see changed, I'll go with the freshest, Obama. Hopefully he can live up to some of the promises. I just much less believe in the others.
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Morbier

[carp75]

My research on the "main" candidates tells me without a doubt Obama is the best choice. It just sucks he's a trained liar.

Teklan, to clarify my position on hate:

I don't hate "people", I hate their PRINCIPLES.

DISHONESTY. SECRECY. DOMINATION. COERCION. WAR.

In my heart there is no place for these values, even in politics. To accept any of these values in those you are supposed to trust will.. well just wait and see.
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"Political correctness is as useful to our society as racism"

~Carp

[xereau]

INFO: THERE IS NO LEFT VS RIGHT. IT IS A FALSE PARADIGM


We often hear about right-wingers versus left-wingers, but what do these terms really mean? For example, we are told that Communists and Socialists are at the extreme Left, and the Nazis and Fascists are on the extreme Right. Here we have two powerful ideological forces pitted against each other, and the impression is that, somehow, they are opposites. But, what is the difference? They are not opposites at all. They are the same.

THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM


There’s only one thing that makes sense in constructing a political spectrum and that is to put zero government at one end of the line and 100% at the other.

Now we have something we can comprehend.

Those who believe in zero government are the anarchists, and those who believe in total government are the totalitarians. With that definition, we find that Communism and Nazism are together at the same end. They are both totalitarian concepts. Why? Because they are both based on the model of collectivism. Communism, Nazism, Fascism and Socialism all gravitate toward bigger and bigger government, because that is the logical extension of their common ideology. They cannot help becoming what they are. More government is needed to solve bigger problems, and bigger problems require more government. Once you get on the slippery slope of collectivism, once you accept that ideology, there is no place to stop until you reach all the way to the end of the scale, which is 100% government. Regardless of what name you give it, regardless of how you re-label it to make it seem new or different, collectivism is totalitarianism.

In truth, the straight-line concept of a political spectrum is somewhat misleading. It is really a circle. You can take that straight line with 100% government at one end and zero at the other, bend it around, and touch the ends at the top. Now it’s a circle because, under anarchy, where there is no government, you have absolute rule by those with the biggest fists and the most powerful weapons. So, you jump from zero government to totalitarianism in a flash. They meet at the top. We are really dealing with a circle, and the only logical place for us to be is somewhere in the middle. We need government, of course, but, the concept of what kind of government must be built on individualism, an ideology that pushes always toward that part of the spectrum that involves the least government necessary to make things work instead of collectivism, which always pushes toward the other end of the spectrum for the most amount of government to make things work.


COLLECTIVISM VS INDIVIDUALISM

Although most people have only a vague concept of what collectivism is, the advocates of collectivism have a very definite understanding of it, so let’s deal with that now.

In order to appreciate the essence of collectivism, we need to step backward and look at the larger picture encompassing the political ideologies that divide people in this age. You find those who claim they are conservatives, and they will debate wildly with those who think of themselves as liberals. Left wingers disagree with right wingers. You find people who say they are Socialists or Communists or Fascists or whatever words they choose to identify their point of view. But, when you ask them to explain what those words mean, very few can agree. For the most part, they are merely labels without clear or precise definitions.

Let’s put some meaning to them. I think that all of the great political issues, the ideological issues at least, can be divided into two viewpoints. All of the rest is fluff. Basically, a person is either a collectivist or an individualist. We are talking about collectivism vs. individualism.
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[Nefra]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/romney/articles/part5_side/



... criminal parts

I have to say tho, after watching Romney talk after he lost florida i never realized he was anti-union... we get our much needed vacations and time off from work thanks to unions!

[Eurynome]

Doesn't scare you people just a little bit, that the Canadians are better informed than most Americans?

Let's get our heads out of our collective asses, shall we?
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I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.

[Kellan]

The American society is based on ideals of freedom, self-sufficience, and - to be blunt - looking out for number one. This has always been the way in this country, with groups of common people banding together only when they couldn't achieve a goal on their own .. only to go their seperate ways as the need receeded.

This was true when the colonists grew overly unhappy with paying tribute to the King of England, so they banded together in a revolution and changed it.

This was true when the workers grew overly unhappy with low pay and lack of physical/fiscal security, so they banded together in unions and changed it.

The cabal (for lack of a better term) that is currently running things has learned from the past, and is aware that the mass of society known as the middle-class must be kept appeased if they wish to avoid another banding together for change. As long as they continue to watch the pulse of the middle class, who care only that they enjoy their lives and their children do too, they will make adjustments to policies and take actions to head-off any civil unrest or political action that may change the status quo. No one is going to get elected in this country any time soon who does not sell their soul to this cabal for as long as the cabal keeps the middle-class complacent. All the youtube in the world is not going to change any of it with the current generation because they just simply do not have the time or inclination to watch it with all the work / soccer games / band concerts / etc.

What people who espouse change from the status quo don't seem to understand is that the vast majority of adult Americans don't care who is in charge as long as their family's life is as good as or better than last year. You can rant all day about who lies or cheats or steals, but when it comes down to it grown-up family people will always always put the concerns of their kids and themselves far ahead of anything any political pundit has to say.

The biggest challenge facing the cabal is how to avoid the banding together for change that is coming when the oil runs out. They will do, and are doing, anything in their power to be ready -- even if it means sacrificing lives of those who have volunteered for the military to delay things long enough to have an alternative prepared. In the truest traditions of this country, they are working their asses off to make better lives for themselves with disregard to everyone else in the way.

Once again I emplore you to vote for whomever you think will get our society away from oil-based products as quickly as possible. China is buying as much as they can get as quickly as possible and war with them over the Middle East oil fields is inevitable if nothing changes.

[Lichlord]

I'll vote for whichever person will pike up Bush's head in front of the White House for his failure to capture Bin Ladin. I still want that bastard dead and dragged through NY by a Taxi cab more then just about anything else.

Just my thoughts! Carry on!
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[Lichlord]

This ones for you Eury! Very good point about Canadians and Americans:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=15957794
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[Nefra]

lichs sig reminds me of chucky