Appotus Dominus

[Maelria]

Ok, here goes:

1) A - duh
2) C - also duh
3) D
4) B - and one of the most disturbing acts in place
5) C - it should be noted that back when our country was formed and the people wanted Washington to rule as "king" he pointed out that an election system would be better, assuming that we did not fall into the same two-party political system that killed Parliment. LOL at 200 year old prediction...
6) C - If you haven't spoken to a CURRENT representative of Primerica, I suggest you do so. There is only one company out there desperately trying to serve the middle class and it scares me that most shun it.
7) A
8 ) D - I know Carp will greatly disagree, but I don't think the answer is A. I'm all for killing those people actually. If I can prove beyond all doubt that you killed, raped or all out robbed someone, you should die. This is probably a topic for another post. Like the other things or not, they ARE laws and should be followed. If not, go to jail. Period.
9) B- Standing up for one's self in the face of "wrong" opposition is heroic and always will be. Just remember that history is written by the victor.
10) C - if you got this wrong, I'm scared.

Some may believe that Carp is taking a "radical" view. This may or may not be true, but at least he is standing for something. I don't want to "charge" a political debate but I will end with a quote from someone MUCH smarter than me:

(From his Nobel Prize Acceptance Speech)
...and that is why I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
- Elie Wiesel



Maelria Twinpoint

[brenl]

ITs getting testy in here ....
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[Mandaar]

The two party system is horrible. But, everything else is worse.

The problem is that we sheep don't do anything about it when our elected officials do truly ridiculous things. We don't know our representatives voting record. We don't make them pay for that record.

We are lazy and we don't want to be bothered if we're enjoying our lives. The only way change will happen is a HUGE catastrophe or upheaval.


And even THEN, we will only know what we're told on CNN and Fox News. The left and the right's personal propaganda services.

[carp75]

Maelria and I might not agree 100% but at least he offers a constructive comment to state his disagreement.

I'm learning little by little that the "masses" are worse than even I, the firm believer in "people act like soulless monkeys", thought.

If you think freedom is the ability to sit on your ass and do nothing while the world slowly becomes a police state, that's your biased opinion. You might think of yourself as free, but you are destroying the freedom of others.

Thirty years ago, when I was just learning how to shit by myself, Americans had very, very different values. I'm really wondering if schools even teach you younger people what freedom is. Did you ever read books like "1984" in high school?

The true conspiracy theory is the fact that mainstream media gets to define what a conspiracy is. What I'm trying to learn to do is translate my common sense into words you can understand.

I've tried many approaches: love of country, satire, seething anger, encouragement, education, picket signs, pleading... each approach only works on maybe 1-5% of the readers/viewers. The rest just like to stick their heads in the sand. Like it or not, I do open people's eyes now and then.

You darn right I'm testy when I'm surrounded by people who don't know right from wrong anymore. I may not be perfect but at least I would let you have your life, liberty, and your levi's.
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[Hzath]

Yes, I read 1984 in high school along with several other short stories with similar themes. I don't know a single person that didn't think 1984 was a good book, its more popular than you would think with my generation.

While I may agree with you about most of the problems in the country, we disagree vastly about the solutions.

I've tried for a while to write a good response for you. I gave up after my fourth try because I realized it doesn't matter. You are just like those you're trying to denounce. People are either with you or against you, and like always having only two choices sucks.

[carp75]

Nice personal attack. Yeah I also have other meaningless similarities with the people I am denouncing... for example, I have a freakin nose on my face.

Another absoluely ridiculous argument by Hzath.
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[Mandaar]

This is starting to get personal.

Tone it down on the personal. I won't ask twice.

[xereau]

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[Healinyou]

here is what I don't understand...seems as though Carp is going on and on about freedoms and such, yet every person that has opposed him has been attacked by him. This to me is quite a contradiction. Am I free to have my own opinion that differs from you? If I am, then don't attack me just because my views are different. This is why I don't really read any post that comes up on here that has anything political in nature, one can't just give his opinion without being made to feel bad because it differs from others. It's also why I don't talk politics or religion with a group of people. One on one is great, but in a group there are too any different views and usualy at least one person who takes it personally and makes it personal by attacking.

I do have to say that I agree with some of what Carp has said, some of what Mandaar has said...and I never agree with Gill just on principle. But I have a feeling I'm already gonna be attacked for even what I said already, so I'm not going to expound on what I agree with....It sure is nice to be free to NOT say what I want too.
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[Hzath]

Being the most vocal about an issue does not also mean that you are the most correct, perhaps the minority is the minority for a reason.

I see no point in arguing anymore, you ignore everything I say and have yet to give me more than an ounce of relevant information I didn't know before. I'm going to agree to disagree, you can do as you like.

[carp75]

Healinyou points out an obvious paradox that I must live with. To defend freedom and individuality, I must face a majority who are completely enveloped in their own lives and problems. I can go back to wallowing in my disability if you all would like.. instead, I think outside myself. I know I will be shunned by many, but I accept this freely.

Wouldn't you like me to be frantic and urgent if I saw that your house was on fire and you didn't know?

By being an agreeable soul on this issue, I only serve those who wish for people to remain silent. So I cannot in good faith agree with the majority of you. I attack when provoked, and indeed I was.

Sadly, one must agitate people to get his point across. Was Martin Luther King agreeable to everyone? Of course not.

Usually people hide their "radical" views via humor and satire. I prefer the more direct approach. Either way, both myself and others must get our point across at all cost.

The majority is uninformed, and I provided information via links and quotes to inform you. It is your choice to read them or not.

Healin, I did not see your post as a personal attack on me.

Edit: Thank you Auger, I appreciate your post. THe only thing I disagree with, any maybe it's because of how it's worded... is tinkering with the Constitution as society changes. I may agree with some of the past tinkering but stuff like the Preamble should never messed with.

Using war to strip away freedoms is a staple of all collectivist governments.

Editing because I'm sick of posting, and I keep correcting grammatical errors lol
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[Ginyuu]

I liked maelria post, except I dont think one should be killed for robbing. If we killed people for robbing we would have to hang reijo cause last night i was robbed! Gimme mah sword back! LOL
In all reality...yeah were fucked. It's going downhill fast here in the states. I recommend converting your money into a more stable form of currency and hoarding it, along with an escape plan to flee the country! I need a roll call from our canadian members...I need to start mapping out my escape!
Ginny

[xereau]

There is no Left vs Right.

This entire paradigm was created in the late 19th century based on centralized Prussian governmental systems that were all the rage since the 1830's or so. The propagation of these ideals was made possible by non profit organizations such as The Rockefeller Foundation, The Carnegie Endowment, and the Fabian Society (these groups are also how the wealthiest elitist bankers hide most of their wealth and subsequent power).

The true paradigm of politics is:

Individualism vs Collectivism

In order to appreciate the essence of collectivism, we need to step backward and look at the larger picture encompassing the political ideologies that divide people in this age. You find those who claim they are conservatives, and they will debate wildly with those who think of themselves as liberals. Left wingers disagree with right wingers. You find people who say they are Socialists or Communists or Fascists or whatever words they choose to identify their point of view. But, when you ask them to explain what those words mean, very few can agree. For the most part, they are merely labels without clear or precise definitions.

I think that all of the great political issues, the ideological issues at least, can be divided into two viewpoints. All of the rest is fluff. Basically, a person is either a collectivist or an individualist. What do these words mean?

Collectivists and individualists, for the most part, are all good people. They want the best life possible for their families, for their countrymen, and for the world - for mankind. They all want peace, prosperity, and justice. They want freedom. Sometime they disagree over what the tradeoff should be for freedom; but, still, they all want the good things for their fellow man. Where they disagree is how to bring those things about.

THE DANGER OF GROUP SUPREMACY

The collectivist believes the group is the most important element of society; that all solutions to problems are better solved at the group level than at the individual level; and that, the larger the problem is, the larger the group should be to solve the problem. And so they believe in collective action. They believe in organizing group activities to provide for all of the advantages they want people to have. They want to protect people. They want to make sure they don’t suffer, that they are well clothed and fed, and that they are treated justly. The solution to all of these problems is a collective solution. "We shall do it through group action." The more complex the problem, the larger the group should be, until finally the most complex problems of all can be solved only by the largest groups of all. The collectivist sees government as the solution, because government is the ultimate group, and so the collectivist mind can be easily recognized.

It always has an affinity to government as the solver of problems. The individualist, by the way, is more skeptical. He tends to look at government as the creator of problems. But that’s another issue. We will get to the individualist in a moment. The collectivist sees government as the solver of problems; and, of course, the larger the unit of government, the better. Collectivist solutions gravitate from local government to state government to national government and finally to world government. If there is a really big problem, such as the environmental issue involving the whole planet, the collectivist is convinced that it cannot be solved except through the action of world government.

The collectivist believes that the group is more important than the individual and, if necessary, the individual must be sacrificed for the group. Sometimes that is expressed in terms of "the greater good for the greater number." It’s a very appealing concept.

The individualist on the other hand says, "Wait a minute. Group? What is group? That’s just a word. You cannot touch a group. You cannot see a group. All you can touch and see are individuals. They make up the group. But the real substance of the group is the individual within it. It’s like a forest. Forest doesn’t exist. It’s a word concept. There are only trees." So the individualist sees that, if you sacrifice the individual for the group, you have made a huge mistake. The individual is the essence of the group. He is the core of the group. The group has no claim to sacrifice its own essence.

Collectivists are often critics of religious and family values, because collectivism demands unquestioning obedience to the state. Since loyalty to family or religious codes often conflict with the concept of group supremacy, they cannot be tolerated in a collectivist system. And so here we have another distinction between the collectivist and the individualist. The collectivist believes in coercion. The individualist believes in freedom.

THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM

We often hear about right-wingers versus left-wingers, but what do these terms really mean? For example, we are told that Communists and Socialists are at the extreme Left, and the Nazis and Fascists are on the extreme Right. Here we have two powerful ideological forces pitted against each other, and the impression is that, somehow, they are opposites. But, what is the difference? They are not opposites at all. They are the same.

The insignias may be different, but when you analyze Communism and Nazism, they both embody the principles of Socialism. Communists make no bones about Socialism being their ideal, and the Nazi movement in Germany was actually called the National Socialist Party. Communists believe in international Socialism, whereas Nazis advocate national Socialism. Communists promote class hatred and class conflict to motivate the loyalty and blind obedience of their followers, whereas the Nazis use race conflict and race hatred to accomplish the same objective. Other than that, there is absolutely no difference between Communism and Nazism. They are both the epitome of collectivism, and yet we are told they are, supposedly, at opposite ends of the spectrum!

There’s only one thing that makes sense in constructing a political spectrum and that is to put zero government at one end of the line and 100% at the other. Now we have something we can comprehend. Those who believe in zero government are the anarchists, and those who believe in total government are the totalitarians. With that definition, we find that Communism and Nazism are together at the same end. They are both totalitarian concepts. Why? Because they are both based on the model of collectivism. Communism, Nazism, Fascism and Socialism all gravitate toward bigger and bigger government, because that is the logical extension of their common ideology. They cannot help becoming what they are. More government is needed to solve bigger problems, and bigger problems require more government. Once you get on the slippery slope of collectivism, once you accept that ideology, there is no place to stop until you reach all the way to the end of the scale, which is 100% government. Regardless of what name you give it, regardless of how you re-label it to make it seem new or different, collectivism is totalitarianism.

In truth, the straight-line concept of a political spectrum is somewhat misleading. It is really a circle. You can take that straight line with 100% government at one end and zero at the other, bend it around, and touch the ends at the top. Now it’s a circle because, under anarchy, where there is no government, you have absolute rule by those with the biggest fists and the most powerful weapons. So, you jump from zero government to totalitarianism in a flash. They meet at the top. We are really dealing with a circle, and the only logical place for us to be is somewhere in the middle. We need government, of course, but, the concept of what kind of government must be built on individualism, an ideology that pushes always toward that part of the spectrum that involves the least government necessary to make things work instead of collectivism, which always pushes toward the other end of the spectrum for the most amount of government to make things work.

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We in North America are currently being lobbied and guided by OLD money, the same money who set up Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and most if not all of the other tyrants of the 20th Century: The Central Banks of Europe - The Rothschild Family, The British Royals, The Dutch Royals, The Spanish Royals. We are on the verge of slipping into a scientifically crafted control grid. What we face is literally a psychopathic technocracy: a cross between George Orwell's '1984' and Aldous Huxley's 'A Brave New World'.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin
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[Auger]

Yup, nice post to get people thinking and talking.

Our form of government is far from perfect, but even though that is the case, it is still much better then many other countries.

Dont like it...leave... and yes you can leave without worry of government reprisals, unlike many other countries.

Dont like what you read? Write, print or even protest your opposing views. We can do that here.

Politics and religon are the 2 hottest contested subjects you can bring up. Dont bring them up unless your prepared to hear opinions from the other side. And no matter what, dont expect them to fully agree with your opinion.

BTW, it is a piece of paper. One that can be changed as our society changes. Some may be for the good in some opinions, for others its bad. If you didnt drink, proabition was a good thing, but if you did, you didnt agree with that. Now it gets repealed.

No matter what a law or bill was passed for, I assure you there are many hidden agenda's in there.... ty for voting down the line item veto, pork belly spending go wild.

Did you know that the out lawing of marijuana wasnt an attempt to remove a drug from society, but was an attempt to keep illegal immigrants out of the US from Mexico, since the workers from there smoked it. (You cant make this shit up, it is true).

As my old Government teacher used to say ...

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to my death your right to say it"

God Bless America, it is my home.