Appotus Dominus

[Teklan]

Your example of help with the fire is not how I see this "help" Xorne.

What I see is Dnief grabbing an 80 year old woman by the hand and trying to drag her across a street saying "come on I'll help you cross" and she's constantly yelling at him to stop. She doesn't want to cross the street. There is no harm to her if she does cross, no harm if she doesn't. The person trying to make her cross is just being an annoyance.

[dunnodoncare]

So, Stryffe.. you agree that blacks are rampantly immoral then?

Let me be the first to say that this is a racist opinion.

You should work on that.


Medding.

[Stryffe]

Is it your thing to try and point fingers when there is in fact nothing to be pointed at?

I said

[dunnodoncare]

Actually, Stryffe... you said this.

"Perhaps I missed something but how is what you quoted immoral or racist?"

It is hard to read that any other way than meaning that you don't see the comment as racist.

You are trying to dispute one part of the quote and pretend the other part does not exist. This won't work out well, you should try again. If you see the comment, even a part of the comment, as racist.. speak up about it. Admit it. Pretending you don't see it won't score you any points in this discussion.

Medding.

[dunnodoncare]

I'll take that a step further. You are saying that Bush was not to blame for blacks being immoral, which says quite clearly that you think blacks are immoral. This is clearly a racist statement. You really ought to take a step back and reconsider what you are saying here. If you don't mean that, then there is no harm in clarifying what you mean. Don't try to put the blame on me for your words being racist. They are your words, after all.


Medding.

[Stryffe]

You like clear answers here are some for you. You are a Dbag.

Now saying I don't think BUSH is to blame for someone's immorality isn't in anyway a racist statement. I don't believe any person can be the reason behind another's morals.
Further Do I think blacks are immoral? Sure, some, not all, just like any other race.

What you are doing is trying to read into a statement something that isn't there and put someone else on the defensive which tells me you are spoiling for a fight. That also tells me that if you are looking to the internet for that fight you must have problems in real life that you need to work out.

I'd suggest that you talk to someone or work on whatever it is that has you all flustered.

Lastly I have found that most people that run off about how racist or immoral others are are normally projecting their own hidden feelings towards others. Draws eyes off you and gives the hate mongers another target. Odd think they use to do the same thing with witches back in the past.
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[Stryffe]

And you know, just to prove the point that you shouldn't take things out of context lets look at this statement.

[dunnodoncare]

As I said, you are trying to dispute one part of the quote and pretend the other part becomes meaningless. That is a mistake. If you don't see the quote as racist, fine. I think you do, based on your later comments. Lets split that quote up into two parts so I can be sure you understand what I am saying.

1) blacks are rampantly immoral.
2) it is the fault of George Bush.

By only disputing the portion about Bush, you tacitly agree to the portion about blacks being immoral. You can look up the phrase 'tacit agreement' if it is not something you are familiar with. If you wanted to disagree with both halves of the quote you had the opportunity and ignored it until I called you out. In fact, you denied that the statement was a whole was racist until you were pushed.

You did later sort of clarify how you feel about the second portion of the quote, which is great. It is still disappointing that you haven't outright said that the second portion of the quote was indeed racist. It can't hurt to say that, can it? Other than that it would mean contradicting yourself, of course. Naturally that would mean that you came into the conversation claiming that a racist statement wasn't racist, and then tried to pull the blame game of making it my fault that you misspoke and got into an argument over it.

Do you often pretend racist statements aren't racist in order to start arguments on the internet? Were you spoiling for a fight? Should you seek help for trying to start arguments on the internet by claiming racist statements aren't racist? Maybe you need to rethink just exactly what you are trying to say here. It seems that your words are cutting both ways, doesn't it?

Lets take this back a step, back to before I called your words racist and you called me a douchebag.

Do you agree that the statement was racist? I can infer that you do based on your later comments, I think we can all see that... but you haven't actually come right out and said it. You should. It can't hurt you, can it? That would mean that you and I agree and that most of the rest of your comments become meaningless because you were just trying to start a fight on the internet and you got one.

Interesting how that works, isn't it?


Medding.

[Stryffe]

[Teklan]

You'll either both like me or shoot me but here it is:

In Medding's defense - the way you responded to "Bush is not to blame for the rampant immorality of blacks" does indeed imply you are saying there is rampant immorality of blacks. However, it is an obvious misspeaking and Medding knew it and pointed it out as if it weren't a mistake. And thus the animosity between you two.

As for my own opinion - any immorality we see is biased towards our own race. If black people act differently than us, which culturally sure they do, we may not be as accepting of their ideologies and thus condemn them and call it immoral. White people run our society, not black people. If it were the other way around I'm sure there would be the same type of comment about white people.

Also keep in mind that hardcore Christians call most everyone immoral, so if you are one of them then that statement is true in its background. What that statement does not do is exclude others from also being immoral. It is just picking one race out of a hat and posing a cause (or wrongfully accused cause) for this specific race.

[Stryffe]

Then Tek you too would be wrong on my part at least. I said what I said based on one portion of the statement, the second part never even entered my mind. I guess you could say I just don't give a flip about anyone elses morals enough for it too. My statement was to point out that, if you say someone was not the cause for something else, you might be right.
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[Teklan]

[dunnodoncare]

Stryffe, I am not asserting anything of the sort.. I am quoting! To make a quote does not imply agreement with any aspect of that quote.. I'm sure you know this. Certain of it, in fact. Why are you pretending not to? This is truly astonishing. Have you never seen a quote before in your entire life? I find your comment on this particular point to be incredibly ridiculous. Or does your quoting of me imply absolute and complete agreement with my words? I assume you can see the obvious error there. You can't have it both ways, Stryffe.. either you know how quotes work or you don't, and since you use them regularly the inevitable conclusion is that you are lying about this. I just can't understand why you would bother.

I'll quote you here (remember, quoting you does not imply that I agree with you, which you know but pretend not to know for some odd reason)...

You did claim that the statement was not racist.
"Perhaps I missed something but how is what you quoted immoral or racist? "
Simple words, with a clear meaning. You are saying that you do not see the racism in that quote, which means you do not think the quote is racist. You have contradicted yourself on this point again.

You claim the quote is not racist. You attack only the portion dealing with Bush. This implies tacit agreement with the remaining portion. If the remaining portion were racist, you would have to take the entire quote as racist, which you refuse to do despite behaving at other points as if you did indeed think it was racist. This means that you do indeed believe that saying blacks are immoral is racist yet for whatever reason you choose to lie about it, and your lies are so obvious that no thinking person can read your words and imagine that you truly believe them.


Don't even bother with your "I didn't say douche" business. When you say things so ridiculous you lose credibility. It is far easier to admit you meant douchebag, and pretending you didn't.. well, that is douchebaggery. You may as well pop your collar move to new jersey and use some spray on tan. I promise I'm not offended.. being insulted by someone who so easily contradicts himself isn't something that can hurt my feelings. It is more amusing than anything else.

The thought that the other portion may or may not have been racist didn't enter your mind when that was the entire point of the quote and all of the conversation afterwards? Whew. That is an amazing thing to try to claim. Again, it hurts your credibility. It goes so far into the realm of unbelievability that I have to outright call you a liar. I can't think of any other possible interpretation, other than perhaps not being a native speaker of english.

What is the difficulty with simply admitting that the statement 'blacks are rampantly immoral' is racist? You know it is and you go out of your way to make it clear that you don't agree with it. The implication is clear.. you know it is a racist statement but to admit it at this point would be to lose face. Again, this lowers your credibility.

So, to summarize.. you pretend not to know about quoting. You pretend a statement is not racist when your behavior implies a clear understanding that it was.

I sense deception. Why? Why do you need to lie? What can you possibly gain by lying about this?


Medding.

[Stryffe]

Ok Tek I'll agree with you that perhaps it isn't what you say so much as how you say it and my wording could have been different. And in Medding's point perhaps if he would have just said, Stryffe by saying what you did this way it sounds like you might mean this, instead of Oh look what you said, you must be racist, then perhaps I would have thought of rewording but he decided to start pointing fingers and calling names.

Medding or Dunnodoncare. Wait do you care? If not why are you still going on?
I have made pointed reference to your many attacks on AD members and yet you persist. Why? Does it make you feel special? Stop pointing fingers and saying what you meant was this. Hell that's the sort of thing that you might see in the same paper you were quoting.
Take your higher than thou attitude and go... what is it you do? Not play EQ with this guild that's for sure.
Stop inciting animosity, stop calling people names for making posts you don't like, and if you don't like what you read here, go to another URL.
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I'm betting that I'm just abnormal enough to survive.

[Stryffe]

Oh because I can't leave things alone and one day it will get me in trouble.
The afore mentioned quote

[dunnodoncare]

Stryffe, I notice you don't admit to your lies. You ask my why I care, why I am still going on.. when you lie, you expect me to back off and let you be unchallenged? Fuck that. You misspoke and rather than admit it, rather than clarify, you lied again and again and now you once again try to put the blame on me. That is not how the world works. When you paint yourself into a corner and ruin your credibility, this is not my fault.. it is your own. It is not the mirror's fault that it reflects something ugly. It is time for you to take responsibility for your own words rather than pretending it is all my fault. You chose to enter the conversation, you chose to lie about some strange and relatively unimportant things and you expect me to just stop talking because the only way you can save face anymore is to wish the conversation ended or never happened. This should be a sign, something you can learn from. In future conversations, avoid those ridiculous lies.

Take responsibility for your own words. No more attempts to shift the blame to me. If you must rephrase things and clarify your meaning, do so and stop pretending it is my fault.

You don't mention that you pretended not to understand what quotes were and got caught. Do you think that just disappears when you pretend it didn't happen? Ignore your mistakes and they go away? Honestly, that is an insult to my intelligence and to everyone reading this. You may want to own up to that. It would be a good way to start regaining some credibility.

The reason you look bad in all of this is because of your own words, your own actions, your own choices. It is time for you to accept responsibility for your words and thoughts. Nobody else was typing for you, were they? Admit to those mistakes and you can make steps toward not making those same mistakes in the future. Pretend they didn't happen and you won't learn a damn thing.

You can have the last word if you must. Be careful about shooting yourself in the foot again.


Medding.

[Stryffe]

Thanks for offering me the last word.

I'll just say, I work in an US embassy and have actual friends here that are diplomats. 4 of which I invited in to read this post and I posed 1 simple question. Was my initial statement racist or untrue? 3 of the 4 agree that it was not. Sorry sir I'll take their word over yours. One of which used to work as an attorney on the staff of President Clinton. The one that disagreed did state much like Teklan that it could be taken out of context.

As for fault, the only fault I lay on you is the fact that you have a habit of coming here and calling names and picking fights. You were mistaken in your assumption that I would be racist and still are. There is nothing for me to recant so, I won’t.

Good day sir.
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[dunnodoncare]

Did your friends have any opinions on your habit of lying? Did your friends ask you why you pretended to not know what quotes were and how they worked? I had hoped to let you get in the last word, but when you don;t even bother to deny your lies it becomes virtually impossible to show you any respect at all. You won't recant that lie? Not even something that blatant? Not even your 'I didn't say douche' bullshit? Your credibility took a big hit, Stryffe. After all this, I find your mention of your friends dubious at best. Sorry, but that is the result of your destroying your own credibility.

Oh.. and coming here every couple months and rarely commenting at all isn't a 'habit'. Find a dictionary.


Medding.

[Teklan]

HEY

if you want to find racism, go here:

http://christwire.org/2009/03/michelle-obama%E2%80%99s-sinful-and-unholy-prom-dress/


these people devoted to Christianity are 10x worse than this convo here



lol this one is even better than that first link

http://christwire.org/2009/02/proof-black-people-are-animals-even-if-they-do-live-the-highlife/

[Stryffe]

Are you still going on?

What happened to last word? Guess you couldn't even get that right.

Why don't you go pester someone else. Like at another web site or maybe another guild. Why did you leave again? Wait don't care.
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I'm betting that I'm just abnormal enough to survive.