Appotus Dominus

[Teklan]

Post your thoughts about things here.


I just thought it really funny how Texas voted. You can clearly tell where Mexican-Americans are more concentrated. The bottom counties in Texas heavily favored Obama, and the top 2/3 to 3/4 were heavy McCain. There were very few counties that went 50/50.



Also, I haven't browsed every state. But there was def a major trend that most if not all major cities voted for Obama but McCain would take the majority of counties in a state.

[Stryffe]

I think that while this is a historic occasion, and America has spoken and they got the answer they wanted, I really hope we don’t live to regret it. A man with radical and terrorist ties has been elected. A man that no matter what anyone says bought this election. 30 minute TV ads and private funding so he was not capped and held to the same standards as his opponent.
I feel he may be better for the economy which is what most of the people fixed, his views on what role our military should be playing may well lead to our downfall.
Lastly I think this will not be a mediocre Presidency, it will either be very good or very bad. This man has so much pressure on him now to live up to all the hype that there can’t be a middle ground. Either he will walk on water or he will bring us to ruin.
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I'm betting that I'm just abnormal enough to survive.

[royce]

i official give up on this country.

[IoneMonk]

For the first time in maybe 10-12 years, I have great hope for this county. That’s right, going back past the eight-year nightmare of an administration of the worst president in American history (a man who bragged he doesn’t “read books,” and who has trashed the U.S. Constitution because he undoubtedly did not or could not comprehend that document), even to the last Clinton term.

I have hope that we will be redeemed in the eyes of the world, from a unilateral bully and laughing stock, to a beacon.

I have hope from the millions of energized young people (and old), black and white, who filled the streets of New York, DC, San Diego, Atlanta, Chicago, with tears streaming down their faces. I am proud of them. I am proud that the majority of Americans were smart enough not to buy obscene campaign of lies and mudslinging I’ve ever seen.

I was struck silent by the ABC news reporter, an African American, who couldn’t get through his report, trying to recount a story of his father telling him a black man could never become anything in this world, and then getting out a triumphant “my old man has been proven wrong” before choking with emotion.

I am proud of John McCain, who gave the best speech of his life, and one that showed his true character (and one that may have won HIM the election had his operatives allowed it to emerge). If ever there was a time for this nation to pull together, this is it. McCain was sincere, I believe, in calling for unity. He personally tried, to his credit, to reign in the RNC bullshit and—at least in person—overcome the politics of fear by emphatically telling them that Sen. Obama loves this country too, that he is a good and decent man and that “you don’t have to be frightened of him being President.” Again, people should listen to the real John McCain.
Obama has his work cut out for him.

He inherits a clusterfuck—whoever is to blame, it doesn’t matter. I believe his speech last night fully showed he understands the gravity of the job. I watched that speech with tears in my own eyes, for this singular moment in history, and the first person in nearly thirty years of voting that I can believe in.

I still remember the text message that spread through the grass roots of this movement: “Rosa sat, so Martin could walk, Martin walked, so Barack could run, Barack is running so our children can fly…”
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[Stryffe]

[IoneMonk]

[Healinyou]

[Teklan]

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[Teklan]

Trivia question! Don't google it...

What other President won the election without the popular vote? Hint: Tilden won the popular vote.

[dunnodoncare]

Some of the crap that goes around the internet and resonates in people's minds is utterly ridiculous. Pals around with terrorists? People truly believe that shit? How about belonged to a group that wanted a state to secede from the union, and being the first sitting governor to give an opening speach at a secessionist rally.. ever. That sounds one hell of a lot more like treason than being on a republican supported charity, which is what the Ayers situation revolves around. The mindless acceptance of these deceptions does people no credit. It is the politics of fear.

Many people, sadly, do not bother to think for themselves and just accept things that make no rational sense. If Obama is a terrorist for being on the same board is Ayers, what about the others? Are they also terrorists? This is a logical conundrum... how can only Obama be tarnished by this link and not the others, particularly the republican supporters in charge of the charity who still donate to republican candidates? To claim Obama pals around with terrorists and not treat all others who were on that charity exactly the same way makes any person who takes that position hypocritical. If you truly believe that Stryffe, then you believe in a paradox that is unsupportable. It is a sign of either lack of knowledge or of insanity (believing in two contradictory things is a sign of insanity after all). Since I do not truly believe Stryffe is insane, I must come to the conclusion that he has not actually thought about the matter and simply took some talking head's point of view as his own like so many others.


Consider cars. Does that sound silly? It may not in a minute.

Lets say that one family always owned Fords. The kids are raised to think Dodge sucks, the only automobiles they ever see for themselves are the Fords that belong to family members. When they grow up and get old enough to buy a car, if they go in to the dealership believing that all Fords are better than any Dodge then they have not made an informed decision.. they have simply taken someone elses opinion and made it their own, which means they are completely unable to justify why they made that decision.. because in reality they did not make a decision, they simply adopted someone else's as their own.

Now lets take the same person, from the same family, going into the dealership on that day. If they ask questions, inform themselves, get the statistics on warantee, reliability, resale value, horsepower etc.. of both Ford and Dodge, then make their decision based on that data, THEN they have made a decision (an informed one) rather than just accepting someone elses as their own. They may still buy a Ford, but they did it based on the reality of the situation.

You see, its not about which brand you buy.. its how you decide which one is for you. If you do not think for your self, if you do not base your decision on facts but rather on tradition or a pre-existing belief, then you are not making an informed decision.

You can hate Obama or McCain or whoever as much as you want. But... a smart person, a rational person, a person who actually CARES, will base that decision on the facts rather than fantasy.

Support whoever you like, but do it with thought and care. To do less is nothing to be proud of.

Medding.

[Stryffe]

[dunnodoncare]

Stryffe, by that reasoning every law passed is constitutional, including a law that nullifies the constitution.

Medding.

[Stryffe]

Yes, they are, until they are repealed or another law is made to overwrite them.

Strange but true
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I'm betting that I'm just abnormal enough to survive.

[IoneMonk]

Ah, balls to the adage about arguing on the internet...

[Mandaar]

All the rhetoric aside, I have grave concern about how we go about withdrawing from Iraq. It must be done only after victory is achieved or can be acknowledged and not simply reversed. It was probably a shitty thing to do, but Iran is now the issue.

And honestly, is there a chance of victory long term with Iran ready to just swoop in or at least use the situation to their advantage?

Do I think being there was a great idea or even good? No. But, let's not argue that.

Obama is it, I wish him well, I hope he can find small ways to rise above the foolishness that is our extremist system. And I hope he surrounds himself with people that are long-seeing.

[dnief]

Iraq: We marched in we can March out. Simple. Winning is not being there.

When the next event like 9/11 happens to change the public opinion we can and should all question the event instead of Waving a flag in the air screaming "take our rights away! take our rights away!"

The Complete Idiot's Guide to the New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA

Wake Up Call
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3543161691381895251

[royce]

can someone just give me a few examples of why he should of even been considered for pres.? its obvious to me is that they just didnt want to vote rep. community organizer? he hasnt as much run a burger king.
and if you say cause of the economy plz give me an example of his economic qualifications other than he just says hes gonna fixeverything with hope and change.
im willing to guess that majority of young people that fell for all the bullshit and voted for obama havent even sniffed whats its like to struggle with a small business or having to raise a family . i was born and raised in a big city, i see how democrats run things, take from people who work and give to the non working. if school system isnt working its because it needs more money etc.
and as far as his frindships with the less diserable people that liberals like to just pass off and ignore, maybe he wasnt buddy buddy with william ayers but he still breathed the same air in the same room as that scum, he did your years listen to an unamercan preacher who he has called his mentor, thelist goes on.
hes weak and liberal in a time where russia and iran and chavez are getting more aggresive . while at the same time he has promised to shrink our military, build no more nuclear weapons, ditch the stratgic air defence . you dont think our enemies read this?
remember how you voted when he goes onhis promise to tax the rich and even more business goes over seas, remember how you voted when he taxes small business andmany will lose there job , when you from your taxes pay for abortions and lets the aclu run wild with all their looniness .
obama, pelosi, reed, dodd, kerry, dean friggin thx
the united states of detroit is what we are headed for

[Teklan]

royce:

His Iraq plan (according to his website, not news media) is to remove troops 16 months from now. That doesn't mean all of a sudden - its a gradual removal. At the same time he believes we should focus more on Afghanistan where Al-Qaeda actually is and if you've read the news has gotten much worse this past year.

And on the economy, small businesses and struggling families aren't being taxed extra. If anything, they get rebates (money back). It is families or businesses that are well off that get a SLIGHT increase in taxes if its around the $250,000 mark, and gradually tiers up the more they make. He's not making the poor poorer - everyone can still manage to pay their bills that has an increase in their taxes.

To say he's not qualified to run the economy; imagine this. He has advisors that went to school for economics. He tells his advisors the directions he wants to go with the economy and they number crunch for him and tell him the best way to go about it. This isn't a one man show - its not like he's going into anything blindly.

Next, about his past associations. Did you know who Ayers was until mudslinging in this campaign? Did Obama even necessarily know what Ayers did in the past? Fuck, I don't do background checks on every single person I meet and I sure as hell don't expect Obama to especially at the age he was. You are just trying to find a reason to not like Obama in this whole scenario it seems like.

Obama has an open door mentality. You try shooting this down as an option and you don't even know if it works or not. Ignoring Iran and Korea (shutting them off from the world) hasn't worked on stopping nuclear programs. IIRC once we negotiated with Korea (gasp) then wow, they wanted to work things out. Now imagine if we talked with everyone else out there...


Edit: The only reason I see someone hating Obama is because he might come off as socialist or because he's will to "negotiate with terrorists" as the republicans branded him.

Also, if you truly believe Chavez is a bad guy....try reading up on him; just a little. See what he has done for his people vs. minority of conglomerates. Also look at what hes done for the USA despite our criticism of him (look along the lines of cheap/donated fuel to the needy here).


A lot of this is fragmented but I have to go to class and take tests....so I'll look at this tomorrow!

[royce]

tek,i read 3 newspapers a day listen to talk radio all day , that 250 ,000. you mentioned , their have been verbal gaffes on that , in the begining they said 250, then 200 then biden slipped and said 150. and btw , since when is 250k rich? it might seem like alot of money to young people but it realy isnt.

for the economy point , im pretty sure i heard from his own mouth "spread the wealth around" and biden saying "time to step up , get on board" referring for more people to pay even more taxes.

and as far as ayers , yes i have heard ofhim so why didnt he? only a week before their socalled informal meeting , i forget what magazine it was, but ayers was on the front cover standing on an amercan flag.

[dunnodoncare]

Are you saying you don't think 250k per year is rich?

Think carefully before you answer that. The wrong answer will make you look like a fool.

Medding.